Vincent Van Ghoul
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Post by Vincent Van Ghoul on Jun 16, 2016 21:49:24 GMT -6
I very sincerely hope that Britain votes to stay. Exiting the EU, while it won't immediately doom Britain, poses some risks that shouldn't be taken lightly.
That being said, I hope that the fact that the British people demanded this vote in the first place is a catalyst to promote some EU reforms in the future. There's been lots of EU criticisms in recent years, from various nations, so clearly there's some improvement that can be done. With that in mind, If Britain votes to leave, I fear it'll instigate other nations wanting to leave as well, pulling Europe back into pre WWII states, which historically caused more problems than it solved.
To quote Stephen Hawking on this issue:
“Gone are the days when we could stand on our own, against the world"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 13:29:42 GMT -6
I very sincerely hope that Britain votes to stay. Exiting the EU, while it won't immediately doom Britain, poses some risks that shouldn't be taken lightly. That being said, I hope that the fact that the British people demanded this vote in the first place is a catalyst to promote some EU reforms in the future. There's been lots of EU criticisms in recent years, from various nations, so clearly there's some improvement that can be done. With that in mind, If Britain votes to leave, I fear it'll instigate other nations wanting to leave as well, pulling Europe back into pre WWII states, which historically caused more problems than it solved. To quote Stephen Hawking on this issue: “Gone are the days when we could stand on our own, against the world"We take back control of our country doesn't mean we will not be doing deals and remain friends with Europe at all
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 8:12:41 GMT -6
We take back control of our country doesn't mean we will not be doing deals and remain friends with Europe at all Yes, but it will be no longer in Europe. EU will be because it smaller NOT being in the EU is the best thing for our country and that is my priority .
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Vincent Van Ghoul
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Post by Vincent Van Ghoul on Jun 18, 2016 8:27:35 GMT -6
I very sincerely hope that Britain votes to stay. Exiting the EU, while it won't immediately doom Britain, poses some risks that shouldn't be taken lightly. That being said, I hope that the fact that the British people demanded this vote in the first place is a catalyst to promote some EU reforms in the future. There's been lots of EU criticisms in recent years, from various nations, so clearly there's some improvement that can be done. With that in mind, If Britain votes to leave, I fear it'll instigate other nations wanting to leave as well, pulling Europe back into pre WWII states, which historically caused more problems than it solved. To quote Stephen Hawking on this issue: “Gone are the days when we could stand on our own, against the world"We take back control of our country doesn't mean we will not be doing deals and remain friends with Europe at all Well of course, that's a given. But what do you think about the Remain supporters theories that eventually, after re-negotiating trade deals with the EU countries, Britain will be in a worse off position? The EU can be kinda dickish, and I wouldn't be shocked if they actively tried to encourage member countries to make life harder for Britain, as an incentive to stay. Also, do you think leaving the EU is preferable to making EU reforms, as many other member countries want?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 9:10:15 GMT -6
we wont get the reforms we want , Cameron never gets enough for the UK . We will be fine with trade deals we are the 5th largest economy in the world, they will want to do deals with us.
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Post by Matt on Jun 18, 2016 10:29:18 GMT -6
It's quite interesting to see how many posts this thread has racked up. It's definitely an interesting debate that's for sure.
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Vincent Van Ghoul
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Post by Vincent Van Ghoul on Jun 19, 2016 23:47:57 GMT -6
we wont get the reforms we want , Cameron never gets enough for the UK . But, if you think Cameron's bad at getting the UK the things it needs now, wouldn't his incompetence carry over when it came to leaving the EU, and then negotiating the plethora of new deals needed for the UK in the future? Well sure, but again, If Cameron has to negotiate these new deals, and you think he doesn't "get enough" for the UK as it is, wouldn't the new deals risk being much worse than the ones you have now? And a hypothetical question; Do you believe the Brexit will always be preferable to any EU reform the referendum and already growing EU criticism could lead to? Also I'm curious; If Britain decides to vote for the Brexit, would that include Scotland and Northern Ireland as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 7:43:52 GMT -6
we wont get the reforms we want , Cameron never gets enough for the UK . But, if you think Cameron's bad at getting the UK the things it needs now, wouldn't his incompetence carry over when it came to leaving the EU, and then negotiating the plethora of new deals needed for the UK in the future? Well sure, but again, If Cameron has to negotiate these new deals, and you think he doesn't "get enough" for the UK as it is, wouldn't the new deals risk being much worse than the ones you have now? And a hypothetical question; Do you believe the Brexit will always be preferable to any EU reform the referendum and already growing EU criticism could lead to? Also I'm curious; If Britain decides to vote for the Brexit, would that include Scotland and Northern Ireland as well? It would include those countries , we voted in the conservative gov unfortunately we are stuck with them until the next election but Cameron would likely step down if Brexit win so we would have a new PM
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Post by Matt on Jun 20, 2016 10:01:35 GMT -6
But, if you think Cameron's bad at getting the UK the things it needs now, wouldn't his incompetence carry over when it came to leaving the EU, and then negotiating the plethora of new deals needed for the UK in the future? Well sure, but again, If Cameron has to negotiate these new deals, and you think he doesn't "get enough" for the UK as it is, wouldn't the new deals risk being much worse than the ones you have now? And a hypothetical question; Do you believe the Brexit will always be preferable to any EU reform the referendum and already growing EU criticism could lead to? Also I'm curious; If Britain decides to vote for the Brexit, would that include Scotland and Northern Ireland as well? It would include those countries , we voted in the conservative gov unfortunately we are stuck with them until the next election but Cameron would likely step down if Brexit win so we would have a new PM Just curious, why would Cameron step down?
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Vincent Van Ghoul
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Post by Vincent Van Ghoul on Jun 21, 2016 0:43:44 GMT -6
But, if you think Cameron's bad at getting the UK the things it needs now, wouldn't his incompetence carry over when it came to leaving the EU, and then negotiating the plethora of new deals needed for the UK in the future? Well sure, but again, If Cameron has to negotiate these new deals, and you think he doesn't "get enough" for the UK as it is, wouldn't the new deals risk being much worse than the ones you have now? And a hypothetical question; Do you believe the Brexit will always be preferable to any EU reform the referendum and already growing EU criticism could lead to? Also I'm curious; If Britain decides to vote for the Brexit, would that include Scotland and Northern Ireland as well? It would include those countries , we voted in the conservative gov unfortunately we are stuck with them until the next election but Cameron would likely step down if Brexit win so we would have a new PM I believe Cameron said he would trigger the "Article 50" process (I do not know what that is) if the referendum votes to leave, and have a "two-year time period to negotiate the arrangements for exit". I haven't seen any indication he would leave before then. Rather it sounds like he would lead the negotiations for leaving, and if you're right about his political abilities that seems even more risky that just staying in the EU. I'd also love an answer to my last question: " And a hypothetical question; Do you believe the Brexit will always be preferable to any EU reform the referendum and already growing EU criticism could lead to? "
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